The Lancet Commission on Global Surgery released a report in 2015 stating that about five billion people worldwide didn’t have access to safe surgery. Shafi Ahmed is trying to change that. He teaches surgeons around the world either using technology or flying to med schools in different countries. He is a laparoscopic colorectal surgeon at The Royal London and St Bartholomew’s Hospitals, a trainer, educator and teacher, innovator, entrepreneur and an evangelist in augmented and virtual reality. A futurist who is the Associate Dean of Bart’s Royal London Hospital, the biggest hospital in western European and one of the oldest hospitals in the world, founded in 1123.
Fun fact: This was the place where Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s Sherlock Holmes and Dr Watson met for the first time. And if Sherlock had his magnifying glass, Shafi has Google Glass, Google Cardboard, Snapchat Spectacles and is open to try all sorts of headsets that may help him share. Share his knowledge and his experiences.
In 2014, using Google Glass, he removed a liver cancer under the far away eyes of 13,000 students from 113 countries, who were sending Ahmed questions shown on his Glass. He read and replied just by speaking as if they were next to him.
The global shortage mentioned on the 2015 report means that milions of surgeons, anaesthetists and obstetricians will need to be trained over the next decade. Medical Realities, the company Ahmed founded in 2015 together with Steve Dann, launched its platform this week and will enable Ahmed to teach remotely using 360-degree streaming.
Shafi Ahmed accepted my interview request one day after Medical Realities was launched and told me a bit about this project and his future plans.
Yesterday you launched your platform Medical Realities. How much of an accomplishment was it?
Shafi Ahmed — Basically, it’s a major achievement. It disrupts education forever. This is a new way, a new paradigm of learning. What we’ve done with our VR platform is change the way that people might be taught and learn in the future, not just medicine but everything. So, VR and 360 video, people are still figuring out what it means. You take the video, you look around, that’s fine, that’s immersive. You take CGI animation. What we’ve done as a company, we’ve spent 9 months working with 20 developers and clinicians and CGI animators, etc. So, what does the VR mean? Hack and create learning in this environment. We spent ages thinking about the value and the validation of that system. Now we released it, everyone who’s seen it understands where VR can be of benefit. Before yesterday, no one knew where VR was going, there was no content. It’s hardware, it’s a bit of software. So, we’ve created a way that others now can create content that’s going to be valuable. So, I think it’s a big change, a complete change of direction of future learning. It is that big. I went to my team today and congratulated them for changing the whole paradigm of learning.
You also opened the OR to other professionals. Is there someone recording? How does it work?
SA — I have a team and we have a rig above the patient in the OR which we can record. That streams live into any mobile phone device. So, you can watch what’s happening around the operating theatre in real time in a VR headset, live. That’s how it works.
When we think about recording an operation live we think about al the trouble you face around the world with telemedicine and privacy and legal issues. Have you found any and, if so, how did you manage to get past them?
SA — First of all, the hospital I work in, the Royal London Hospital, which is part of Barts Health Trust, they’ve been very supportive. My hospital is the biggest hospital in western Europe. It’s huge. It’s one of the oldest hospitals in the world, a thousand years old. We are taking this institution on a journey in innovation. And what they said to me was, rather than say “no, there are too many issues”, they said “how do we make it work? What do you need to make it work?”. And so, we looked at the ethics, the privacy/confidentiality, we think about the legal framework, and all those things. What we do we innovate and do that at the same time, rather than going one by one thinking how we can make this work. I guess a lot of the questions around privacy and confidentiality and things haven’t really been answered, we are way behind technology, right? We know that. If you ask the right questions, you get the answers. Our patients are really supportive, they give explicit consent to me to do an operation live around the world and stream. They are very supportive and that makes a difference. So the legal framework supports that. As long as you’re open and frank and honest and patients supporting it with explicit consent then there are no issues. When we first started we delayed the operation by 30 seconds, in cases of major catastrophe or complication, but we’ve done so many now they don’t bother, it’s just understanding that the cameras being around you, the team working in environment, just make sure that when we go live the whole thing looks professional and the team’s working well so the public when are watching it think that this is a good learning experience and very professional which is what we’re trying to showcase.
A lot of the operations are on cancer patients. Is there a special reason for choosing oncology?
SA — I’m a cancer specialist, so, my patients have cancer diagnosis. I think cancer is universal, everyone understands cancer around the globe, the treatment is standard and it’s a certain standard around the globe. So, when the patients have cancer and they agree to have an operation shown live that’s a big emotional thing they’re giving, right? Around the world, everyone understands and it captures imagination. It’s just the practice I have, I mean, if I was doing another speciality it would be something else. It just happens I’m a cancer specialist and my patients all have got cancer that require surgery and they support me.
You don’t just take it on a virtual scale where people can watch what you’re doing. You go around the world, you go to several hospitals worldwide and teach this in person…
SA — I do a lot of work around the globe in many countries: Bangladesh, Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Egypt, Palestine, the Middle East, Africa, many places. Just show that a lot of my interest is about global education, global health, how do we democratize education, how to scale it up, and how to use these technologies to empower people around the globe, how to make it easier, how to make healthcare more equitable. And how to train not just one surgeon, not two surgeons, but thousands at a time, and share that knowledge.
Your next step is the virtual patient. You really want to operate on a virtual body. How far or close are you to get to that point?
SA — A long way. What we are trying to create first in virtual world is a virtual patient in photo real avatar imaging CGI so it looks realistic in front of you in a virtual environment. Then we have to place all the organs inside and then you’ll be able to operate on that virtual patient. That requires some haptic feedback, to be able to feel, to be able to operate. So, the whole thing would take probably about 2 to 5 years, maybe a couple of years to get in a position where you can do something on a virtual patient.
Your first operation using Google Glass was in 2014. What has changed from that first experience to the latest one?
SA — I guess that first experience was really experimenting with new technologies and it was a test on whether we could do this. It was new, it was a little bit, I guess, unknown. On that day, we taught 14 thousand students across the globe using the Google Glass. Since then obviously AR (Augmented Reality) which is what Google Glass is, has changed to VR (Virtual Reality). VR has come in, it’s new, it’s more different, it’s more immersive. And I think with that experience now of live operating around the globe and teaching, we have a great platform and I guess we have a worldwide recognition. Many things have changed, including people’s understanding acceptance and VR allowing different kind of learn experience. I guess we’ve just moved on and we matured with that experience.
A lot of people in China were watching you from their desktops, some people in other countries were wearing their glasses or smartphones…do you have those numbers?
SA — I’ll tell you the story. What happened was when we were doing the VR operation last April 2016, half hour before the operation we got a phone call from the main broadcasting channel in China saying “we heard about what you’re doing, we love it, we want the feed to give out to 1.2 billion Chinese people. So we thought “what will we do?”. Because we only had a certain bandwidth, we had so much storage capacity in our servers and we said “ok, we’re not sure what’s going to happen but we don’t want to overtake the whole server and crash everything”. So, we increased the volume to 200 thousand but what they did actually they took the feed off our servers up into their servers in China. So we have no idea of how many people tuned in. It may have been hundreds of thousands. We have no idea.
That wasn’t your last broadcasted operation…
SA — No. My last big one was as Snapchat one I did in November using Snapchat Spectacles. That was the last one in terms of global broadcast.
So, you’re trying different platforms. Would you say that you would try all of them or focus on just one?
SA — Google Glass was great when it came out. Great device, live streaming, easy access on your head, light device, very powerful computer, and you can text people on their phone, we can see them when they message on the screen, nice interaction. VR means less interaction for you, interaction for everybody else because they’re immersed in the VR world. It’s high fidelity but low cost with your smartphone, your app and your Google Cardboard. Snapchat was another experiment. If you look at my students around the globe, there’s about 150 million active daily snapchat users. I think it’s the most powerful Augmented Reality platform that’s out there. It’s the biggest one. We don’t think about it as Augmented Reality but it is an Augmented Reality platform in light of its filters and things, right. So, 75% of the users are between the ages of 17 and 25. If you look at my medical students, that’s the age they are. They use these social media. Social media to me is a way of accessing people. Everybody has a free APP on their phone, one click can access millions of people, if you want to. Ease of access, connecting human minds, right? When I used Snapchat Spectacles, Spectacles came out, it allows you to record in 10 second clips, so my view is: can you teach people in 10 second segments? We have to think about what we’re trying to say, record it, push it out in 10 seconds. It’s short, it’s sharp and it makes sense. So, it was an experiment to see whether that would be able to enable people. I thought I don’t want to get global on this one, I’m sure if I use social media I’d be uneasy about how social media might look using this device. We were viewed by 2 million people, it had over 100 thousand downloads on youtube. I’ve met every magazine and newspaper in the world, just based on simple spectacles and a 10 second clip. Time magazine covered it, every magazine around the world, including Cosmopolitan, which is really amazing! Disruptive!
I was watching one of your surgeries on Facebook Live and I’m not a big fan of blood…
SA — You saw that! In Bangladesh. Facebook, remember, has 2 billion active users daily. That’s a third of the population. So, if you want to access human beings and train them and provide knowledge, there you are: one click on Facebook and you access the entire world. That’s what I was trying to show. In Bangladesh I did a Facebook live operation and 10 thousand students tuned in immediately. Straight away! You’re accessing people and teaching around the globe. And that’s the beauty of social media platforms. And I think we’re not using them the right way. You can take pictures of your cat, your dog, your food and your travelling and that’s great. But there’s something more powerful behind that message and it’s about connecting people and sharing your knowledge. You have knowledge, I have knowledge, we want to share the knowledge. So we share with one or two people, we feel empowered, because we are sharing what we’ve learned experience wise. But why not share knowledge with 10 of thousands of people? That has much more impact and to leave a legacy. That’s my view.
More than just educating, you’re allowing families and future patients to watch the surgery. How important is that to someone who is about have surgery or has a loved one being operated on?
SA — One of the things about surgery that is trying to change is to demystify surgery. I know that surgeries are bit secret, you have the mask, you’re in the theatre, no one knows what is going on. There’s a certain amount of mystique about surgery, which we share. I think we keep it like that on purpose so people don’t understand what we do. I think when we do this, be open, be transparent, bring people to the operating theatre, this is what we do, this is who we are, we’re human beings, we help people, the team around you is working. It’s good to showcase that whole side of surgery because people then understand. The story that I share with you is when I did a live virtual reality operation last year, I finished the operation, which was a cancer operation, I came out of the operating theatre, there were lots of news cameras and TV cameras that I had to push away, I get to the other end of corridor and I met the wife and children of the patient I that I had operated on. So I say to them “How did you find it, how did you feel?” and they said “thank you very much Mr Ahmed, we watched the operation live. Thank you.” My jaw dropped, I’m not kidding. I didn’t know what to say. That was the last think I thought I’d hear. So I said “How did you feel? I didn’t realize you were watching it”. And they said something very interesting: “It helped us. Because normally when your loved one goes for an operation, you go away to have a coffee for 3 or 4 hours, you’re pacing up and down, you’re anxious and everything else. On this occasion, we were watching the operation live, we could see what you were doing and we were reassured he was good hands and things were going well. We were happier.” And I didn’t expect that at all in any shape or form. In some way, because we hadn’t asked the question we didn’t get the answers. We assume patients want different things. Just ask the patients: “what would you like? How would you want to be treated? Do you want to watch your operation?” And actually the answers might be more surprising than we’d imagine.